Grindleford Traffic Group Meeting, 19th November 2020.
1. Identify the issues for the village and how we plan to address them
Speeding problems involve 30,40 and 50 mph zones
Parking problems includes density and pavement parking
Safety of road crossing for the school
2. Dangers, particularly for cyclists on the Grindleford/Hathersage Road 3. Speed enforcement by Police
4. Current situation with the Speedwatch initiative
5. Liaison with HVCA initiatives
6. Identify what Grindleford Traffic Group will do, who to approach and how 7. Confirm Chair for meetings
9. Discuss frequency of meetings and set date for the next one.
1. Grindleford has 30, 40, and 50 mph in a short distance. This is particularly on the side of the village coming from Calver. This road sometimes seems like a race track with drivers often getting up to 80/90 mph. Some discussion around perhaps narrowing that road as this has an effect of bringing cars closer in the road and encourages them to slow down. Discussed other traffic calming measures such as cycle lane, plantings, warning signs of cyclists.
Parking problems through the village; again, a discussion around safety of children walking between parked cars now that there is no crossing patrol. Cars being parked on the pavement, causing people with push chairs or wheelchairs into the road, and across drop down kerbs again impeding walkway for people in wheelchairs. Discussed Residents’ parking, making the Main Street single track road and working with the HVCA group to see if working together with other villages in the Hope Valley to have a ‘20s plenty’ campaign (link to the paper written by Charlotte in these minutes)
Group considered the way forward was to have a village plan and to get some help with all of these issues through Councillor Twigg with a Traffic Management expert from Derbyshire County Council. DCC has done two very good papers on Speed Limits and Traffic Calming the links to which are included in these Minutes. EC to contact Councillor Twigg to alert her to the issues and that we would like her help.
2. Danger for cyclists on the Grindleford/Hathersage Road: highlighted particular concern for young people cycling to school along there. Again, we will take advice about possible reduction in speed limit and also warning signs at regular intervals along the road.
3. Speed enforcement by Police. There have been few occasions when there have been speed traps but only in the 30 mph centre of the village. A major problem exists in the speed from the bend up from Calver past Stoke Hall and into the 40 limit. The 50mph speed section is constantly broken causing danger and noise. Again, we will take advice of Traffic Management about reducing the width of the road – perhaps with cycle lanes or plantings. We must be mindful however, that anything that requires much in the way of cost is likely to be turned down. This might need us to be very persistent.
4. Speedwatch initiative. This was started with a number of volunteers signed up. There seems to have been a problem in getting those volunteers together to receive the training. This needs to be resurrected. EC will ask SB what the next steps are to get this going again
5. Liaison with HVCA. This is an initiative along with other Hope Valley Villages. This to be put on the Parish Council Agenda for discussion about collaboration.
6. Identify what the Grindleford Traffic Group will do, who to approach and when. Some of which has already been identified.
7. Confirm Chair. E. C. For the present
8. Questions – There were no additional questions
9. Frequency of meetings. This was not determined but next meeting decided for 17th December
Speed limits – https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/transport-roads/roads-traffic/traffic-management/speed- limits/speed-limits.aspx
Traffic calming – https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/transport-roads/roads-traffic/traffic- management/traffic-calming/traffic-calming.aspx
PROPOSAL FROM HVCA (charlotte) ABOUT 20 MPH IN THE HOPE VALLEY VILLAGES
THE BENEFITS OF 20 MPH ZONES ACROSS EACH OF THE HOPE VALLEY VILLAGES
The 30 mph limit was set in 1934 when the volume of traffic on the road was considerably less than now, it has not been updated since. There is growing awareness nationally and internationally that 20 mph in areas where people live is the safest and most appropriate. In the UK
Europe wide more countries putting in place 30k/hr through villages and towns.
BENEFITS OF 20 MPH GENERALLY
1. 20 mph reduces the power imbalance between road users – meaning that it is easier for people to walk and cycle.
2. It reduces the number and severity of accidents
• Stopping distances of a car at 20 mph = 12 m / 40ft (3 car lengths) Stopping distance of a car at 30 mph = 23 m / 75ft (6 car lengths)
• The difference in impact speeds is a 7-10 times safety benefit in fewer fatalities. Casualties fall by 20+%. When speed drops, even a bit, risks hugely reduce – 1mph less in towns is 6% fewer injured. At 50kph/30mph half of 60+ year olds die if hit.
• Inappropriate speed contributes to around 11% of all injury collisions reported to the police, 15% of crashes resulting in a serious injury and 24% of collisions that result in a death1 . This includes both ‘excessive speed’, when the speed limit is exceeded but also driving or riding within the speed limit when this is too fast for the conditions at the time (for example, in poor
Allows more independent travel by young people (especially important now that public transport is difficult)
Cuts noise pollution
• Cutting default speed limits from 30mph to 20mph would reduce traffic noise by around 3 decibels (1) – 3dB(A) – and up to 6 decibels at peak periods (2). A cut of 3dB(A) would half the noise.
Reduces amount of traffic
Local traffic as more people feel confident in walking or cycling
Through traffic as people wanting to travel from a to b in quickest route and using
sat nav will be directed to other routes.
Diesel emissions dominate urban road pollution with about ten times the toxicity of petrol fumes. As 20mph limits reduce the most toxic diesel fumes, setting a wide 20mph limit is equivalent to removing nearly half of all petrol cars
Myths associated with 20 mph
It can’t be enforced therefore isn’t viable or worthwhile
The Police and Crime Commissioner for the area can decide on enforcement strategy – police forces in various places (eg London, Merseyside, Oxford and others) do enforce 20 mph.
People won’t reduce to 20 mph
Even a slight reduction of speed decreases the severity of injury – If average speeds reduced by 1 mph, the accident rate would fall by approximately 6% on urban main roads and residential roads with low average speeds”
More people do reduce speed which leads to a culture of more considerate road behaviours and slower speeds as the norm.
Many people unintentionally speed by keeping up with the person ahead of them so if only some people reduce speed this will have an effect.
How to get DCC to agree
Obviously there are a lot of issues here but things to note:
The UK signed up to the Stokholm Declaration in February 2020 which requires 30km/h (20mph) limits where vulnerable road users and vehicles mix – for safety, air quality and climate action.
DFT has accepted that 20mph zones work
If all the villages work together it will be more achievable as the campaign